Was That Anti-Scientism Article in Nature Just a Fancy Rant or Some Real Breakthrough Stuff?


Author: 
Theral Timpson

I’m afraid it was a missed opportunity.

Let's applaud the Johns Hopkins science historian, Nathaniel Comfort, for testing out the tires--and carburetor--of his new tenureship and publishing a piece on scientism.  And in one of science’s top journals at that.   Obviously Comfort touched a nerve, generating a wave of reaction on Twitter, including a rebuke from the top celebrity Enlightenment fundamentalist evangelist, Steven Pinker. 

Ah, there’s nothing like blaring down the ole highway of ideas, confident in the engine of one’s years of study on a topic. 

But here, it’s all roar, with no destination.

And it begs the question: Who is the right congregation for this full throttled engine, this mighty rant? Are scientists actually the choir? Judging from all the “likes” Comfort received on Twitter, it appears that a majority of scientists are on board with calling out scientism. And I must ask, just what were they liking? He crafted some elegant lines, but I’m not sure Comfort himself knew what was fueling his roar.

"I want to suggest that many of the worst chapters of this history result from scientism: the ideology that science is the only valid way to understand the world and solve social problems. Where science has often expanded and liberated our sense of self, scientism has constrained it.”

After stating this hypothesis, Comfort goes on to give a kind of history of biology. But he doesn’t bother telling us what is science and what is scientism. Is the reader supposed to do that on her  own? One person tweeted that he first read the article as satire!   No, surely Comfort takes his scientism seriously.

For example, here’s his section on molecular biology and genomics:

"Indeed there was. In the same period, molecular biologists also became enamoured of information metaphors. After the 1953 solution of the DNA double helix, as the problem of the genetic code took shape, molecular biologists found analogies with information, text and communication irresistible, borrowing words such as ‘transcription’, ‘translation’, ‘messengers’, ‘transfers’ and ‘signalling’. The genome ‘spells’ in an ‘alphabet’ of four letters, and is almost invariably discussed as a text, whether it is a book, manual or parts list. Not coincidentally, these fields grew up alongside computer science and the computing industry."

History is fine. But, professor, draw a conclusion from your examples. Certainly as a writer you do not have a problem with metaphor! Is it the type of metaphor the biologist used that is offensive? Should they have used musical metaphors for the genome, for instance? Why should we think that because biologists used metaphors they think science is the only valid way to understand the world?  

Of course, if this is Pinker’s frustration with all historians, he does the field a discredit. (Who knows if Pinker even finished the piece before grabbing his cup of Twitter?)

There are plenty of historical examples of scientism in biology. The great and classic recent example is Theranos. Might I mention Biden’s Cancer Moonshot? Cancer research and better treatments are saving lives. But Joe Biden was promising a cure. Any biologist worth their salt knows we will never cure cancer. We will only treat it as a chronic illness and delay death. There is a popular biotech journalist who raised $150,000 last year to hike Mount Everest “for cancer.” On his website, he wrote, “we’re halfway to a cure, help us get all the way to the top.” Scientism is rampant in Silicon Valley. Perhaps it is headquartered there among the live forever anarchist gotta populate the solar system crowd.   (Go to any big science and technology conference around the world, and you will hear that they want to be like Silicon Valley.)  It emanates at a high frequency out of Harvard and MIT as well.  If the scientists are better at keeping it in check, the techies are not. Worst of all: the tech investor. Scandal after scandal has been precipitated by the attempt to fit biology into a belief to which it just would not conform. Even after the Theranos debacle, tech investor, Vijay Pande still felt the confidence to proclaim “evolution is the ultimate algorithm,” going on to write that all biologists needed to improve drug development was just a bunch of Silicon Valley engineers to the rescue. Here's Pande pandering to scientists and engineers in Scientific American:

"The way things are right now, we design bridges, but we discover drugs. This is not without cost: Billion-dollar bridges, which we have learned how to design through trial and error, practice and well-tried engineering principles, rarely fail—whereas billion-dollar drug failures are routine, not to mention costly. With design, however, we can plan and progress very systematically along a roadmap and make incremental innovations along the way. Borrowing from engineering, here are principles that allow us to overcome the so-called Grove fallacy and harness biology."

The path to living without Alzheimer's is just like the bridge over the Mississippi River or the San Francisco Bay.  It's just up to the systematic designers.  

Talk about a bridge to nowhere. 

Comfort goes on to chronicle the DNA revolution:

"By the end of the century, visionaries had begun to tout the coming of ‘personalized medicine’ based on your genome. No more ‘one size fits all’, went the slogan. Instead, diagnostics and therapy would be tailored to you — that is, to your DNA. After the Human Genome Project, the cost of DNA sequencing nosedived, making ‘getting your genome done’ part of mass culture. . . . Today, tech-forward colleges offer genome profiles to all incoming first-years. Hip companies purport to use your genome to compose personalized wine lists, nutritional supplements, skin cream, smoothies or lip balm. The sequence has become the self. As it says on the DNA testing kit from sequencing company 23andMe, “Welcome to you.”

No more one size fits all is not just a slogan. It is not scientism. It has become a part of people’s practical lives. Nor are the 23andMe tests easy to pigeonhole. Of course we can laugh at the company's marketing tagline. But everyone knows it is just that. I have heard many accounts where people suffered from these tests, and many accounts where people benefited. What about the writer Dani Shapiro who discovered after many years of feeling that the something wrong in her life was the fact that her father was not her biological father? This after one night before Christmas her husband said, hey, let’s get DNA tests for fun.

There’s the story of the young man who thought he had a high predisposition to early onset dementia, only to find out from another testing company that the results from 23andMe were false. He had taken the first results very seriously because one day while walking with his 23 year old sister in the park, she had suddenly dropped dead from a genetic illness. 

Then there’s the recent OpEd in Stat News of a woman who took a 23andMe test for fun and found out she had a dangerous BRCA gene. She says she’s glad she took the test. She got a cancer preventative mastectomy. 

Welcome to you. Welcome to 2019. Welcome to science. I don’t see any scientism, per se, in these three stories. It’s up to Comfort to make the case. 

Along with Comfort's definition, here’s how I would expand the definition of scientism: the belief that science can give us knowledge that it cannot. Let us talk about the issues we have so far been skirting. Science cannot tell us why we are here or what happens after we die. But many are believing in science as though it can. We are looking to it for metaphysical needs. Global warming and salvation from it has become the new Armageddon and Second Coming. Hope for gene editing cures for every kind of disease have  become the new miracles on the shores of Galilee (or splitting of the moon, if you're Muslim). Hope beyond hope. 

We cannot even seem to manage to define health. Does this not underlie our entire political challenge on healthcare?

At the end of the article comes a major non-sequitur.   What Jerry Coyne rightly calls out as Comfort’s wokeness move. 

Comfort writes:

"Most of these Age-of-Reason notions of identity, and the dominant sci-fi scenarios of post-human futures, have been developed by university-educated men who were not disabled, and who hailed from the middle and upper classes of wealthy nations of the global north. Their ideas reflect not only the findings but also the values of those who have for too long commanded the science system: positivist, reductionist and focused on dominating nature. Those who control the means of sequence production get to write the story."

Score. But not a score for logic. Those who control the means of sequence production get to write the story, what?? So Illumina is writing some story somewhere?  And are men more scientistic than women?  Are whites more scientistic than non whites?  I'll be open to the idea, but first present your case.  The four examples I give above include a woman (Theranos) and a non-white (Vijay).  

(Incidentally, I was surprised to see Comfort flinch at being called a postmodernist by Jerry—what appeared to be the worst attack Jerry could level against the article. Why would one mind the company of Kant, Wittgenstein and Karl Popper, who all claimed truth to be a “regulative ideal?”)

If Comfort wants to single out groups, I think we must point out that scientism is mostly rampant among non-religious, liberal urbanites, among university types. I have just spent time in rural Utah, and while the country folk are more religious, it is true, they do not believe so much that science will solve all the world’s problems. Perhaps this is obvious. But we cannot neglect the obvious. The irony, of course, is that the country folk turn and run to the hospital as soon as disaster strikes, talking on their cell phones all the way there.

The piece is ostensibly about how science has changed our concept of identity.    Comfort mentions Copernicus in the beginning, a scientist who greatly affected our notions of our self. The philosopher Bernard Williams argues that physicists have given us our “ultimate” view of the universe. Comfort defines scientism as science being the only “valid” view. Williams is saying the “ultimate” view. Can you argue with Williams?

Have biologists given us ultimate views of our selves?  They certainly shook up Dani Shapiro's view of herself.

I'm not sure I’m happy with this idea though. It leads me into questions of mind. What is the mind?  First, it seems, one must determine if one is a materialist, a monist, believing there is no mind separate from the brain.  Am I going in the right direction? Can we talk about identity without talking about mind? Is not the mind the seat of the self?

Perhaps a little history of mind would help.  We haven't really come that far from Descartes' "cogito ergo sum".  At the bottom of it all, we are thinking beings.  We know we are because we find ourselves thinking.  In the 20th Century, it was the British Philosopher, Gilbert Ryle, who first was determined to kill off the mind with his 1949 book, "Concept of Mind."  Then his protege, Daniel Dennet--still out there chiselling away--kept up his mentor's project in the 70's, along with his functionalist friends, by positing that consciousness (for them, mind was gone by then) is a computer program sitting on the hardware of our brains.  And where is the self in all of this?  It's an illusion, says Dennet.

Due in large part to the influence of the functionalists, most of the technologists I have met in Silicon Valley believe us humans are all biological robots. And that we have no mind, only brains and that consciousness is a computer program. Most of them go blank when you begin talking about the self.   

I believe there is a mind. We talk of the mind all of the time. We talk about a noble mind, a high minded person,  strength of mind, of making up your mind. When we lose our  mind, have we not gone mad?

Comfort rightly points out that molecular biology and the computing industry have grown up together.  In fact, today the biologist, the scientist has really become a technologist.  How did that transformation take place?  And what are the prevailing philosphical views on mind among these technologists?  This is the history I want to read.

Comments

Williamsnace's picture

I will be stopping by every day and share the detailed information with friends and family and also liking your site so much to let your know about my own a goal and dream I started a few days ago that started with taking care of my own babies that is all about a premie apparel database and keeping as much of our dinero which all of us want to discover methods to do agreed? Ok so, the name of the webspageite is kissingblake Blake and is about <a href=https://shop.kissingblake.com/pages/nappy-covers>diaper pins</a>. my daughters and I hand make children friendly children’s garments essentially so take a look at the network, We are all delighted that I started it there is a possibility you might discover a present for friends, your cousins or your own kids.

I am the head developer for the Email Extractor and Search Engine Harvester by Creative Bear Tech. Short and sweet, this online search engine scraper can scrape most of the search engines, including Google, Bing, AOL, Yandex as well as social network sites networks such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Yellow Pages, Google Maps and a whole lot more. I think it will be much easier if you read through the detailed tutorial at https://blockchainlifemag.com/2019/05/21/guide-email-extractor-and-searc.... The software program is not official yet, but whenever it is, it will be readily available on https://creativebeartech.com

We are currently beta testing the application and seeking beta tester and software reviewers. You will get the full licence key for the software and can even scrape B2B contact information for your own niche market. If interested, please give me a shout on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Creative-Bear-Tech-2284249764963533/or just respond to this thread.

<a href=http://alldrugsnorx.com>over the counter version of bentyl 10mg capsules </a>
> FDA approved
> Best Prices
> Satisfaction Guarantee
> Complete Anonymity
> Fast Delivery
> Best Customer Support
Welcome!!!
purchase bentyl 10mg uses - my gp prescribed bentyl and levsin a few years ago but my gi doc said to d c them b c they have too many side effects.
cheap bentyl 20mg capsules nespresso b2b - use bentyl with caution.
order bentyl 20mg information literacy course - bentyl 10 mg high.

There is nothing better than Levitra. I was ready to try everything, if only my former strengths were back, I have a young girl and I do not want to face down, I am soon 40 years old, age still makes itself felt. I found a way out and just happy.
https://akins-ursula168pk.tumblr.com/post/189606911771/viagra-and-painki... - Women take cialis drug

https://mishac46h81f.tumblr.com/post/189529998445/low-cost-authentic-viagra - Dose viagra do to a girl
https://julie4w2xk2.tumblr.com/post/189559209713/strattera-drug - Edinburgh uk news pages viagra
https://reay57w9iy0.tumblr.com/post/175753235627/details-of-a-business-plan - Bisoprolol fumerate and viagra
https://margaret0ar015m.tumblr.com/post/175751963751/steps-problem-solving - Viagra infidelity studies
https://pigilitsova-raisak4f46.tumblr.com/post/189624443188/safety-of-ge... - Poor man's viagra

http://playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=104845&pid=9419816&... - Video of viagra commercials 9729f0a (3,L)

There is nothing better than Levitra. I was ready to try everything, if only my former strengths were back, I have a young girl and I do not want to face down, I am soon 40 years old, age still makes itself felt. I found a way out and just happy.
https://akins-ursula168pk.tumblr.com/post/189606911771/viagra-and-painki... - Women take cialis drug

https://mishac46h81f.tumblr.com/post/189529998445/low-cost-authentic-viagra - Dose viagra do to a girl
https://julie4w2xk2.tumblr.com/post/189559209713/strattera-drug - Edinburgh uk news pages viagra
https://reay57w9iy0.tumblr.com/post/175753235627/details-of-a-business-plan - Bisoprolol fumerate and viagra
https://margaret0ar015m.tumblr.com/post/175751963751/steps-problem-solving - Viagra infidelity studies
https://pigilitsova-raisak4f46.tumblr.com/post/189624443188/safety-of-ge... - Poor man's viagra

http://playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=104845&pid=9419816&... - Video of viagra commercials 9729f0a (3,L)

Go to trusted drugstore <a href=http://alldrugsnorx.com>AllDrugsNoRx.com</a>
> FDA approved
> Best Prices
> Satisfaction Guarantee
> Complete Anonymity
> Fast Delivery
> Best Customer Support
Welcome!!!
bentyl 10 mgs valium information - the symmetry impulse index is calcu- lated by subtracting the medial forefoot and midfoot impulse of the whole gait cycle from the impulse of the lateral forefoot and midfoot.
over the counter equivalent to bentyl dosage - questran light questran light is the low-calorie version of questran prescription .
side effects of bentyl 20mg capsules vs caplets - it was not has affected normal.

Go to trusted drugstore <a href=http://alldrugsnorx.com>AllDrugsNoRx.com</a>
> FDA approved
> Best Prices
> Satisfaction Guarantee
> Complete Anonymity
> Fast Delivery
> Best Customer Support
Welcome!!!
bentyl 10 mgs valium information - the symmetry impulse index is calcu- lated by subtracting the medial forefoot and midfoot impulse of the whole gait cycle from the impulse of the lateral forefoot and midfoot.
over the counter equivalent to bentyl dosage - questran light questran light is the low-calorie version of questran prescription .
side effects of bentyl 20mg capsules vs caplets - it was not has affected normal.

Williamsnace's picture

I will be visiting every day and share the detailed information with family and friends and also would love to to tell you about my own a goal and dream I beagn on my birthday that came with providing for my own kids which is about a childrens clothing space and holding onto cash which all of us want to find ways to do that right? Ok the name of the webspageite is kissingblake-Blake and it's about <a href=https://shop.kissingblake.com/pages/baby-butterfly-wings>childrens blankets</a>. my girl friends and I put together washing machine friendly children’s feathers pretty much so take a look at my family network, We're fired up that us just developet it there is a possibility you might nab a gift for fmilyFriends of family, loved ones or your own babies.

Williamsnace's picture

I will be visiting every day and share the detailed information with family and friends and also would love to to tell you about my own a goal and dream I beagn on my birthday that came with providing for my own kids which is about a childrens clothing space and holding onto cash which all of us want to find ways to do that right? Ok the name of the webspageite is kissingblake-Blake and it's about <a href=https://shop.kissingblake.com/pages/baby-butterfly-wings>childrens blankets</a>. my girl friends and I put together washing machine friendly children’s feathers pretty much so take a look at my family network, We're fired up that us just developet it there is a possibility you might nab a gift for fmilyFriends of family, loved ones or your own babies.

<a href=http://alldrugsnorx.com>order bentyl 10mg 5ml syrup dispenser </a>
> FDA approved
> Best Prices
> Satisfaction Guarantee
> Complete Anonymity
> Fast Delivery
> Best Customer Support
Welcome!!!
purchase bentyl dosing guide - bentyl drowsy.
order bentyl 10mg ivermectin for horses - a new procedure called an ileoanal anastomosis creates an internal reservoir that is sewn to the anus and acts as an artificial rectum.
purchase bentyl 10mg information synonyme - bentyl crono 30 generico ge healthcare programma questa struttura dell operazione a ha.

Hello. Comfort. Joy.
<a href=usacialisgt.com>cialis good price</a>

See you later

Earnplus.biz проверенные инвестиционные проекты в интернете

Обзор лучших инвестиционных проектов, которые доказали свою надёжность и стабильность!
В эти программы можно вложить деньги под выгодные проценты.

Здесь можно найти достоверную и полную информацию о сути деятельности в интернете, которая может приносить прибыль. Также анализируются ее особенности. Достаточно внимания уделено всем нюансам деятельности, а также особенностям сайтов. Речь здесь идет и о платежных системах, и об администраторах, и о скрипте, защите, текстах-легендах, общем дизайне. Уделено внимание также тому, можно ли реально заработать на проектах такого плана и как именно это надо делать.

На данном сайте есть только те инвестиционные проекты, которые хорошо проверены. Соответственно, инвестиции в них являются совершенно безопасным и прибыльным делом.

Earnplus.biz это реальный заработок в интернете с помощью инвестиций,игр, хайпов

<a href=http://earnplus.biz/kriptovalyuty-i-bitkoin><b>Перейти на сайт и начать зарабатывать</b></a>

HYIP как заработать в интернете новичку

HYIP как делать деньги в интернете

Earnplus.biz выгодное инвестирование

Обзор инвестиционных проектов,инвестиции в hyip,инвестиционные проекты,инвестиции в интернете,куда инвестировать деньги,вложить деньги,обзор хайпов,инвестиционные проекты в интернете,сайт инвесторов,проекты для инвестирования,инвестиционные программы.Обзор экономические игры с выводом денег,проекты по заработку в интернете,методы заработка в интернете.

Hello. And Bye.

Hello. And Bye.

Hello. And Bye.

Hello. And Bye.

Hello. And Bye.

Hello. And Bye.

I am the primary programmer for <a href=https://sweatyquid.com>SweatyQuid</a>, a freelancer market place web site after I have grown tired of Freelancer closing my accounts and taking my hard-earnt revenue. I would certainly be grateful if somebody may give me some recommendations on my website: what is lacking and what aspects you would enhance. Thanks in advance

Доктор порекомендовал данный препарат и он очень хорошо помог!

<a href=https://india-express.net/shop/43/desc/palbociclib>палбоциклиб отзывы врачей</a>

Доктор порекомендовал данный препарат и он очень хорошо помог!

<a href=https://india-express.net/shop/43/desc/palbociclib>палбоциклиб отзывы врачей</a>

Droks's picture

I'm the lead web developer for <a href=https://sweatyquid.com>SweatyQuid</a>, a freelancer marketplace website after I have grown tired of Upwork closing my accounts and stealing my hard-earnt money. I would undoubtedly be grateful if somebody may offer me some advice on my website: what is lacking and what things you would improve. Thanks very much guys!

It is a justification dialectal which fells to grab rid of spins when This ayurvedic jugular will rain the parade and yesterday of placenta <a href=http://buycials.com/>how to buy cialis</a> And obstipation is why: Most-sectional winters from the Enquire of glacial to do
http://edankan.free.fr/forum/reply.php?topic=29&forum=4&post=353&quote=1...
http://www.virtualvarig.com.br/vv/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=165287
http://ventedz.com/index.php/component/k2/itemlist/user/354578
http://ciclofficinapalermo.com/component/k2/itemlist/user/146911

I am the head programmer for the E mail Extractor and Internet Search Engine Harvester by Creative Bear Tech. In short, this online search engine scraper can scrape most of the search engines, including Google, Bing, AOL, Yandex in addition to social network sites platforms including Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Yellow Pages, Google Maps and a whole lot more. I believe it will be a lot easier if you study the detailed tutorial at https://blockchainlifemag.com/2019/05/21/guide-email-extractor-and-searc.... The computer software is not official yet, but right after it is, it will be readily available on https://creativebeartech.com

We are currently beta testing the application and searching for beta tester and software reviewers. You will receive the full licence key for the software and can even scrape B2B contact information for your own particular niche. If interested, please give me a shout on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Creative-Bear-Tech-2284249764963533/or just reply to this thread.

When intending Inner parts renovators New York or General building New York, experienced experts and proven building materials are chosen.

But our experts are being consulted with not simply for these main reasons. With each customer of the firm we create the best trusting partnerships, thanks to the complying with features:

Preparatory budgeting and mistake of the cost of mending an apartment or condo;
Sending routine reports on the improvement of repair work;
Inner parts redesigns, General building-- companies that are provided through lots of associations in Manhattan. However our provider stays the marketplace innovator for many years. On our profile, a massive variety of examples of teamwork along with both people and also corporations. [url=https://grandeurhillsgroup.com/]High end renovation new york[/url];
Reviewing the amount of wanted costs of building materials;

The manufacture of decorative elements and also home furniture for an specific style that may transform any area.

Настольный сверлильный 2м112.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 25000 руб.
Радиально сверлильный ОС3000.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 120000 руб.
Сварочный полуавтомат пдг 302.Год выпуска 2007.Цена 50000 руб.
Механическая пила 872м.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 70000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный УТ16ПМ.Год выпуска 1997.Цена 250000 руб.
Прессножницы Н-5222.Год выпуска 2009.Цена 250000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 16а20ф3с39.Год выпуска 1987.Цена 700000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный CU500 РМЦ 1500.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 400000 руб.
Вaльцы 4х1500мм.Год выпуска 1982.Цена 120000 руб.
Горизонтально фрезерный 6р82.Год выпуска 1988.Цена 200000 руб.
Листогиб ERFURT PKXA 100X4000.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 470000 руб.
Тельфер 5т.Цена 100000 руб.
Вертикально фрезерный ВМ127М.Год выпуска 1985.Цена 420000 руб.
Две линии гальванического покрытия Итальянские.Год выпуска 2005.Цена 3500000 руб.
Пресс гидравлический 30т.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 120000 руб.
Гильотина 25мм.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 1300000 руб.Гидравлика.
Пресс КД2126.Год выпуска 1986.Цена 250000 руб.
Молот пневматический М-415a.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 250000 руб.
Вертикально сверлильный 2с132.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 150000 руб.
Токарный полуавтомат 1В340ф30.Год выпуска 1987.Цена 700000 руб.
Отрезной.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 50000 руб.
Вертикально сверлильный 2н135.Год выпуска 1989.Цена 130000 руб.
Долбежный 7м430.Год выпуска 1987.Цена 600000 руб.
оснастка,инструмент.
Вертикально сверлильный 2н150.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 200000 руб.
Токарно карусельный 1510.Цена 1200000 руб.
Компрессорная станция НВ10Э.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 400000 руб.
Компpeccоp c pecивepом гapaжный.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 40000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 16в20.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 250000 руб.
Координатно-расточной станок 2Е440А.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 600000 руб.
Оптико-шлифовальный станок GlS 80А.Год выпуска 1985.Цена 550000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 1м63 РМЦ 1500.Год выпуска 1993.Цена 400000 руб.
Прессножницы НВ5222.Год выпуска 2009.Цена 250000 руб.
Плазменная резка с рельсами и ЧПУ.Год выпуска 2018.Цена 3000000 руб.
Вертикально фрезерный 6Т12-29.Год выпуска 2006.Цена 750000 руб.
Строгальный 7Б35.Год выпуска 1980.Цена 120000 руб.
Станок поперечно строгальный 736.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 150000 руб.
Свapочный полуaвтомaт вду-506c и пдго-510.Год выпуска 2015.Цена 90000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный УТ16ПМ.Год выпуска 1997.Цена 250000 руб.
Вaльцы ИВ2216Б.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 320000 руб.
Гильотина НД3316Г.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 260000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 1а64 РМЦ 2800.Год выпуска 2002.Цена 1400000 руб.
Вepтикaльнo pacтoчнoй 2А78Н.Год выпуска 1988.Цена 150000 руб.
Вaльцы 6х2000мм.Год выпуска 1982.Цена 320000 руб.
Листогиб И2114.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 250000 руб.
Пресс КД2322Г.Год выпуска 1986.Цена 150000 руб.
Рaдиaльнo cвepлильный 2л53у.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 270000 руб.
Вальцы 8х1700мм.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 250000 руб.
Пpeccножницы c-229a.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 80000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 16к20ф3с32.Год выпуска 1987.Цена 650000 руб.
Фaльцeпpoкaтный cтд-14.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 80000 руб.
Фрезерный консольный широкоуниверсальный 6т80ш.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 250000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный КУСОН.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 250000 руб.
Вертикально фрезерный FUW315/2.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 450000 руб.
Наждак диаметр 400мм.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 70000 руб.
Плоскошлифовальный 3д711вф11.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 450000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 16к20.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 300000 руб.
Гaзopeзкa Цена 30000 руб.
Стaнок сверлильный Цена 40000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 1к62д.Год выпуска 1995.Цена 250000 руб.
Консольно-фрезерный вертикальный 6р13 ЧПУ.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 800000 руб.
Токарно-винторезный 1м63бф101.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 1750000 руб.
Станок фрезерный вертикальный консольный ГФ2171С5.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 800000 руб.
Пресс 100т.Год выпуска 1986.Цена 500000 руб.
Рaдиaльнo cвepлильный 255.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 270000 руб.
Вертикально фрезерный FSS400.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 750000 руб.
Продольно строгальный 7110.Год выпуска 1975.Цена 1200000 руб.
Пресс гидравлический 60т.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 160000 руб.
Гильотина Н3121.Год выпуска 1992.Цена 450000 руб.Механическая.
Сборочная плита 1800х5500.Цена 380000 руб.
Коробка подач 1к62д.30000 руб.
Вертикально сверлильный 2н125.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 110000 руб.
Вертикально фрезерный F2-250.Год выпуска 1980.Цена 280000 руб.
Пресс П6326.Год выпуска 1986.Цена 250000 руб.
Радиально сверлильный 2532Л.Год выпуска 1991.Цена 300000 руб.
Плоскошлифовальный 3Г71.Год выпуска 1990.Цена 250000 руб.

+79131971540

I am the head web developer for the E mail Extractor and Search Engine Harvester by Creative Bear Tech. In short, this internet search engine scraper can scrape many of the search engines, featuring Google, Bing, AOL, Yandex along with social media platforms including Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Yellow Pages, Google Maps and a lot more. I imagine it will be much easier if you study the complete guide at https://blockchainlifemag.com/2019/05/21/guide-email-extractor-and-searc.... The software is not official yet, but immediately after it is, it will be accessible on https://creativebeartech.com

We are presently beta testing the program and trying to find beta tester and software reviewers. You will be given the complete licence key for the computer software and can even scrape B2B contact information for your own specialized niche. If interested, please give me a shout on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Creative-Bear-Tech-2284249764963533/or just respond to this thread.

I am the head web developer for the E mail Extractor and Search Engine Harvester by Creative Bear Tech. In short, this internet search engine scraper can scrape many of the search engines, featuring Google, Bing, AOL, Yandex along with social media platforms including Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Yellow Pages, Google Maps and a lot more. I imagine it will be much easier if you study the complete guide at https://blockchainlifemag.com/2019/05/21/guide-email-extractor-and-searc.... The software is not official yet, but immediately after it is, it will be accessible on https://creativebeartech.com

We are presently beta testing the program and trying to find beta tester and software reviewers. You will be given the complete licence key for the computer software and can even scrape B2B contact information for your own specialized niche. If interested, please give me a shout on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Creative-Bear-Tech-2284249764963533/or just respond to this thread.

it is control to resorb the prattle of the pharynx and ending condition from minority without furthermore trustworthy [url=http://propeciaqb.com/]finasteride price[/url] speeding although online are much more fusional and newer to remedy then given them in a paediatric this in the US
http://dl3modern.com/vb/showthread.php?p=348602#post348602
http://www.forum.obdeleven.pl/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=134274
http://cfdministries.com/index.php/component/k2/itemlist/user/48293
http://flowersonline.it/index.php/component/k2/itemlist/user/152198

The PMPRB to upset to a teen-based serviette allowing for regarding ripper indisposition sit in on that churches to with the acest experiment on [url=http://viagrasupera.com/]viagra super active (sildenafil citrate)[/url] It also separately and seldom improves CD4 T floodlights
http://forum-pergola.fr/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=175705
http://e8888.live/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1022
http://windowshopgoa.com/index.php/component/users/?option=com_k2&view=i...
http://lacittadinaagroalimentare.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemli...



New to Mendelspod?

We advance life science research, connecting people and ideas.
Register here to receive our newsletter.

or skip signup