Murali Prahalad, CEO, Epic Sciences
0:00 The heterogeneity question
6:26 How do you take so much info and commercialize a single test?
14:57 Still early days
18:27 What framework do you use for evaluating efficacy?
25:53 How did you become Mr. Heterogeneity?
It’s the beginning of the age of liquid biopsies, when less invasive, regular blood draws will provide more information than the occasional solid tissue biopsy. Companies that offer tests based on circulating tumor cells or cell free DNA in the blood are popping up like genome interpretation companies were a few years ago. As our understanding of biology at the molecular level advances--particularly in the field of cancer research--the more this practical and focused approach for teasing out the information in the cell, in the body gains steady adoption.
The success of prenatal diagnostics with a small amount of blood from the mother has shown us—and investors—that there’s there’s a wealth of information and money to be made from blood samples. And the promise of a non-invasive procedure to provide more important data than traditional biopsies can seems too good to be true.
Yet, we’re still in the early days. Few liquid biopsy tests have been commercialized. Today’s guest, Murali Prahalad, is the CEO of Epic Sciences. They are touting a new platform for analyzing circulating tumor cells, or CTCs. This has been a tricky space for companies (remember On-Q-ity?), so the big question for Murali is what makes Epic better?
Murals says that previous CTC technologies made some "grounding assumptions," such as that the cells had to have surface proteins used to isolate them, or that they had to be larger in size than the surrounding white blood cells.
“What we’ve said is let’s admit we don’t know what we don’t know. So let’s shotgun this. Let’s look at all the nucleated cells and get them on a proprietary glass slide and then use a mixture of staining, imaging, and computation techniques to really figure out what’s cancer from normal. So we’re not making any grounding assumptions here. And what it’s done is reveal a far greater range of these species in the blood than we ever thought possible. . . . We let the biology reveal what we should be worrying about.”
That all sounds fair and good. Now how will Epic take their latest studies and commercialize them into clinical assays that doctors can use?
For inspiration, Murali draws on the history of HIV drug development. It is now customary for AIDS patients to keep regular counts on their viral load as they manage their illness with one pill a day. This type of regular screening using just blood samples could become the norm in cancer as well. Quoting Mark Twain, Murali says, “history may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."