Hank Greely, Professor of Law, Professor of Genetics (by courtesy), Stanford
0:00 That Sunday
4:20 Did it actually happen? What happened?
10:05 A psychopath?
13:44 A lone wolf?
17:50 Why are you following this so closely?
20:10 The China angle
28:00 How will the future play out?
32:53 PGD vs germline editing
38:44 Was it Doudna’s nightmare after all?
On November 25th, 2018, the world was shocked to find out a Chinese scientist, He Jiankui, had edited the germline of twin girls-and the twins had been born. Many in the scientific community remember that Sunday afternoon well as the story broke on MIT's Tech Review, "EXCLUSIVE: Chinese scientists are creating CRISPR babies."
Today’s guest can even tell you what he had for dinner that Sunday and just what was his reaction. "Holy Shit!"
Hank Greely, a law professor at Stanford and author of "The End of Sex: the Future of Human Reproduction", has followed the “CRISPR baby” story just about as close as anyone we know. He joins us today to look back on that momentous week and reflect.
What was his and the scientific community’s immediate reaction? Now, a year later, what have we learned? How has the story evolved? And what is the future of germline editing?
"What strikes me most is the arrogance, the hubris, the foolishness, of He thinking he's going to be able to do this and be acclaimed as a hero. And maybe it wouldn't be immediately, but he would be Galileo who would ultimately be recognized as being ahead of his time. I think he was criminally reckless and so full of his own dreams and glory that he risked the lives and health of babies. And that's unforgivable to me."